The six degrees | Kevin Bacon | TEDxMidwest

The six degrees | Kevin Bacon | TEDxMidwest

Translator: Velina Vateva
Reviewer: Denise RQ I want to start at the end: most of us have contemplated
our own death, who’s going to be at the funeral,
are they going to cry, stuff like that. I don’t think that’s morbid, honestly, I mean, I think it’s OK to wonder about
a world that doesn’t have us in it, but I’m an actor so the depths of my self-involvement
runs very, very deep (Laughter) and this fantasy plays out
a little differently for me. Bob Dylan once told me,
“Never drop a name.” (Laughter) I was on an airplane one time with Bruce Willis, Demi Moore,
Nicole Kidman, and Tom Cruise and all I could think was, “If this plane goes down, I’m not even
going to make the headlines.” (Laughter) So let’s say I don’t die in a crash
with bigger stars than me, and I actually get an obituary. I lately thought
it probably is going to read, “Actor Kevin Bacon, dead. No Oscars but at least he has
a game named after him.” “The six degrees of Kevin Bacon” – In case you haven’t heard of this game, the idea is that any actor, alive or dead,
can be connected to me through our work in six steps or less. I’m going to give you an example that I had to actually go
to “The oracle of Bacon” website to find because I’m good at a couple of things
but playing this game is not one of them. I randomly picked Rudolf Valentino. Rudolf Valentino – in 1922,
was in “Beyond the rocks,” I’m sure we all remember that one. He was in it with Gertrude Astor,
who did “Daddy long legs” in 1955, with James Cromwell, who was in
“Beyond all boundaries” in 2009 with me. That gives Rudolf Valentino
a Bacon number of three. (Laughter) I can pretty much guarantee
that at this point, Rudolf Valentino does not give a shit. (Laughter) So, how did this all start? In 1994, I’m minding on my own business, I’m making movies,
I’m trying to raise my family, and I don’t remember exactly
how I first heard about it, but it just set started
to seep into my life; people would come up to me and say things like, “You know, my cousin
made up a game about you,” or, “Dude, I’m so hungover, man,
I was in a bar last night… We were playing your game,
I got shitfaced, I am a mess.” I was absolutely horrified. I know it’s a cliche, but actors, behind all the muscles, and the shining white teeth,
and the low-cut dresses, it really is just masking
a lot of very, very deep, deep insecurity. So when I heard this, I thought
this was a joke at my expense. I thought I’m going to be
a laughing stock. People are basically saying, “Can you believe that this lightweight
can be connected to the greats like Laurence Olivier,
or Marlon Brando, or Meryl Streep?” And the pathetic thing is that I was actually working
with Meryl Streep at the time. Someone then told me that the guys who invented this game were
going to be on “The Howard Stern Show.” I thought to myself, “OK, that’s it; that’s the beginning
of the end of my career.” The game was invented by four college
students from Albright College which is in Reading, Pennsylvania, not too far from where I grew up
in downtown Philadelphia. They are sitting around their dorm-room
one day, one of my pictures — one of my least memorable movies, actually
is playing on a TV screen, and they say, “Maybe we can figure out
this connection thing.” So the Internet is just really starting
to explode with these ideas, and it moves from Albright College
to the web and takes off. I’m in the middle of promoting a film,
I can’t remember which one, and I get an offer to be
on a new MTV night time talk show called The Jon Stewart Show, and I come
to find out that the Kevin Bacon guys – which is what they are now being called,
The Kevin Bacon guys – are also booked on the same show. I think to myself,
“I’m not doing this show. I am going to be the punchline
of an hour-long joke.” I was furious; but I stopped
and I said to myself, “Sometimes, you have to confront,
you have to confront your demons. Sometimes, you have to face the beast.” So I said, “I’m going to get in, I’m going to look these guys
in the eyes, I’m going to say, ‘Listen, fellows: get another patsy, OK? There’s Kevin Spacey, there’s
Kevin Costner, there’s Kevin Kline.” (Laughter) “Find somebody else.” I go into the Green Room,
and here they come, and I was completely
and totally disarmed. They were nervous, they were smart,
they were funny, they were cool, all these things I didn’t expect. I left that place,
and I thought to myself, “Well, that’s it. It’s over.
I’m cool. It’s not going to last. In three months, nobody is going to be talking
about “The six degrees of Kevin Bacon.” (Laughter) It just had this incredible hang time. People would start to come up to me
on the subway and literally go, “Zero! Zero! Zero! Zero!” (Laughter) The Onion had a headline that said, “Kevin Bacon connected to Osama Bin Laden
in six steps or less.” There were articles about
politics, and sports, and all kinds of stuff:
science, mathematics. A few years down the line, the planes fried flied
into the World Trade Center, and I go to pick up
my little girl, way too early, and I see the fear in her eyes. We go to war, and everywhere I look, man, it’s like turmoil, and sickness, and… A family member is diagnosed with cancer, another friend dies of addiction. and I just feel completely overwhelmed,
and I say to myself, “You have to do more,
you have to figure out a way to do more, giving some money over here,
voting over here, showing up at things,
doing PSAs, whatever.” I open up the refrigerator,
and there’s Paul Newman; and he’s staring at me
from a jar of tomato sauce. (Laughter) And I think to myself, “That’s amazing. I love Paul Newman,
I love him as an actor, but I love what he did with his time,
his time on this planet. He liked to make salad dressing,
and he liked to make tomato sauce, and 300 million dollars later, it’s still this juggernaut for charity.” And I thought, “What do I —
do I have any? I’m no Paul Newman, but do I have
anything that is branded with me?” And somehow, the Footloose Foundation
just didn’t feel right. (Laughter) And then I said, “Well, wait a second,
wait a second – six degrees.” So I ran to the computer,
and I typed in ‘, ‘ and it’s a real estate website. Then I went, “No, that’s not it,
I need ‘’.” I go, and it’s available;
If you want it just call these guys. I was, “Wow, I don’t know how to do it.
What do I have to do to get a website?” So I call my buddy Willie
who was a little better at this, he goes in, access my broker,
3,500 dollars later, I own I’ve no idea what to do with it. I start talking to my friends
and my family; I’m a complete neophyte
in this world of philanthropy, I really don’t know what I’m doing. I thought that I wanted to do something
that showed the connectivity, I knew that I wanted to do
some kind of good. It amazes me that people
think of a do-gooder as an insult, that always blows my mind. I knew that I wanted to raise money,
I knew that this couldn’t be my main job because I’m a very busy guy so I was talking to somebody
at the charity thing that I was doing, and he said, “You should talk
to this guy who knows another guy; you should check out this thing
called ‘Network for Good.'” I go on to Network for Good, and I realize, much to my chagrin, that they are doing exactly
what it was that I wanted to do. And of course, I was so naive to think
that I was having some great, new idea. I thought I was going to be some kind of do-gooder,
Internet star, or something like that. This is the digital age; and ideas are just bursting
like fireworks on the 4th of July. But I figured that I would call this guy,
Bill Strathmann from Network for Good and just reach out to him
and see if he could help me. Much to my surprise, they were actually interested
in partnering. He saw me more as an opportunity
than as some kind of competition. And I come from the dog-eat-dog world
of show business, man, it’s like every man for himself, getting parts or movies,
and [being] number one and all that stuff. But in philanthropy, it just seems to be
a little bit more partnering, and of course,
that’s the way it should be. So we started to shape this idea
of what could be. We decided that we really wanted
to make it celebrity-based. And then I thought about uggs, those goofy boots. So actresses don’t like to wear
their shoes from the trailer to the set. I love actresses – I’m married to one –
but sometimes, they are a little delicate. They don’t want to get their toes wet
or slip on the heels so the costumers give them
these silly boots to wear. They walk from the trailer to the set,
the paparazzi are there, – click, click, click!-
they take the pictures, goes in the magazines, women all over
the world start dressing like Eskimos. (Laughter) So I thought, “Is there a way
to apply that to charity? If people are going to buy something
because a star uses it, what about donating to something
that a star cares about? So we decided to become
the celebrity face of Network for Good. Around that time,
we were going to Sundance, and I figured that’s going to be
the perfect place to try to sign up
famous people for our site. We go out there, we bring some T-shirts,
and some buttons, and we set up a booth. I walk up to all these celebrities;
everyone is very, very happy. Here is the thing: being famous is great.
I mean, I wouldn’t trade it for the world. All day long, people are nice to me
for absolutely no reason. (Laughter) But usually, people
want something from you. So I wanted to not be the guy who was going to try
to take something from these celebrities. Sure enough, you come up,
“How are you doin’?”, hug-hug, kiss-kiss. “Listen, this is what I need from you:
I need your picture, and I need to know what causes you support
and I need you to sign this form.” And I can see that sometimes,
it’s this subtle shift in people’s eyes because all of a sudden, I went from being a colleague
to being the guy that wanted something. But that was cool; sometimes, they’d say,
“Well, you have to talk to my assistant”. I was totally great with that. We left Sundance,
signed up a bunch of celebrities, and felt really, really good
about what we had done. We created these badges,
they are like floating websites. You could attach them to blogs,
you could attach them to e-mails. And on those badges, there was a picture of the celebrity
and the cause that they supported, and you could click on a “Donate,” and there was a ticker that kept a tally
of all the money that was rolling in. I left Sundance, man, and I was like,
“That’s it, I planted the seed. I’m just going to sit back
and watch the dough roll in.” Not so fast. What we found was that people
want to to smell like a famous person or wear a watch
if the guy’s tough in the movie, and you want to wear that same watch, but when it comes to charity,
it’s a much more personal thing. It’s more of a connection between family, and friends,
and things that you care about, that have affected you
deeply and personally. Animals are
very, very important to people. because you care about them. So we put these badges up there, and there was some initial traffic but there wasn’t really
that much rolling in. The tickers weren’t really turning,
and I was embarrassed, and I felt, frankly, like a failure. Then we were on a conference call,
and someone said, “Hey, how about if regular people can
become celebrities for their own causes?” And I thought, “Well, that’s a cool idea. What if people can create their own badges
and put them right up there next to someone that they admire,
that is recognizable?” To kick this idea off, we offered six 10,000 dollar grants to the six people who could get
the most number of donations. And this is important; not the most money donated
to their causes, but the most number of people donating. And the reason we did that was we felt that the connectivity and the exponential
spread of the idea of giving was just as important
as the dollars and cents. Well, the results of that
were really stunning. A couple of examples –
a woman is diagnosed with MS; she’s in a hospital,
in a waiting room or something, sees us talking about
in this challenge on television. She’s like a triathlete, like a really energetic person;
that takes all that energy and all that fear and sadness
that she had surrounding this illness and puts it into raising money
for MS research. Another woman has a son who is autistic; takes this challenge up, reaches out
to so many people in her community – thousands and thousands of people –
and not only raises money but spreads the idea from personal
experiences of her experience with autism. Later on down the road, we got
some corporate sponsors who helped us out, and we did subsequent challenges. All of those have been
extremely successful. A couple of years ago,
we went back to Sundance, we launched something called Good Cards. A good card is a gift card
you give somebody for say, 10 dollars, 20 dollars,
50 dollars, whatever. You take that card home
after you received it, you think about it, and you decide what you want to do with that money
and where you want to put it. It feels great two or three times over: I feel good giving it to you,
you feel good using it. It’s a win-win situation. We are trying to reach out now
to college students, we are looking for the next big idea. Believe me, if anybody has
the next big idea, let me know. We’re constantly, constantly trying
to shift it and change it. When we started Six Degrees,
it’s not that many years ago, it’s going so fast, nobody knew
what a hashtag was. And Facebook was
just for hooking up really. (Laughter) We are trying to stay
ahead of the curve if we possibly can; I’ve learned so much,
and I’m constantly learning, but I do know that I’m no genius
when it comes to web-based ideas. I do know you can’t just plant
the seed and walk away, you have to be willing
to water it, to fertilize it; if need be, you have to go out
and buy it a grow lamp. And most importantly, if you take me
out of the Six Degrees idea, it really is a beautiful concept
because we really are all connected. The things that we do
here, now, on our block affect people
on the other side of the world, and they affect people
on the other side of town. The Internet is the most powerful example
of the connectivity of people; we created it. I believe we created it
so that we could stay connected; and I think we have to keep thinking about ways that we can use it
as a force for good. Thanks. (Applause)

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  1. A bunch of littles can make something big…I tryed this THE THOUGHT gave me that but also there was a "knowing" said the direction I was going their hearts were not open to hear ..a bunch of littles can make something big. May be you can use it go ahead. Also see…THE WORD by Joyce Butler (case sensitive)thank you

  2. I try to track him through music. Kevin Bacon was in Balto with Phil Collins, who was in Genesis with Tony Banks, who scored the movie "Quicksilver", which stars KEVIN BACON, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  3. I have an idea but……. Hmmmmm. It's not like I can write it here and he is dead on about staying and being connected ! However, I wonder how much it has created connection and to disconnect………. Much health much love and loads of light to ALL

  4. No one will ever see this, but it has to be said:
    If you're only listening to parents/families of autistic people, you're not respecting the autistic community. We don't want ostracizing "awareness," we don't want abusive "therapies," and we certainly don't want research into how to prevent us from being born. We want human rights: the right eduction, the right to medical care, the right to privacy and self-advocacy. We want justice for those abused, exploited, tortured, and murdered by carers. For autistic people, abuse is the rule and not the exception. It matters.

  5. Here's a real challenge: Connect Tom Cruise, Demi Moore, or Jack Nicholson to Kevin Bacon in six steps or less, but WITHOUT resorting to the film "A Few Good Men."

  6. He mentioned the PSA he did for 9/11 – He donated his time for our company as a spokes person for a PSA for PA victims of 9/11. He was so professional and sincere. The goal was to find the victims and their families in order to get them the resources they need) financial, legal, emotional, etc). I was thrilled he mentioned it! He did it for FREE!!

  7. Ha! I feel like me and Kevin Bacon are kindreds because of this middle piece symbol in the six degrees of separation lol, it's a real thing

  8. Everyone in the universe is one degree from me… I must be god… You're in this universe.. and so am I… We're connected.. Beat that Bacon. (What a great guy… am I right?)

  9. six degrees works in any fashion with any person. I overheard 2 ladys behind me at a diner.They were arguing abiut if 6 degrees of seperation works I turned around and told them it does.I can get to Elvis under 6.Had a friend. who a personal trainer He trained the guy who played the younger brother in Gone in 60 seconds Giavini Ribisi who is connected to Nic Cage as he was the star .Nic was married to Elvis's Daughter Bam 5.The lady says yeah but it doesnt mean it does in my case.I replied.according to the rules you can now get to Elvis in 6.sooooo

  10. God how I love Kevin Bacon. I think he's a great actor and he's intelligent, unlike so many in Hollywood. The fact that he and Kyra live in NYC says a lot about that. They keep a pretty quiet life, no scandals, and I don't see a divorce in their future either. They are just "good people". We could use a lot more of that in the world.

  11. He's such a nice person, I've run into him at a restaurant and he definitely recognized my mom and I but couldn't place where from, and smiled at us and waved across the restaurant. It was so cool. We both worked at the Whole Foods he shopped at, and I always gave him the best smoothies after that😂

  12. I saw this talk several years ago and it still stands out as one of the very best, great story of personal development from a a very real man.

  13. One of the most troubling things about this… is the notion that doing what "celebrities" think is a good idea, is actually a good idea. Celebrities are going to be among the most unrealistic, out of touch people on the planet. Their ideas are going to be affected by this severe disconnect with reality… these are people that pretend for a living… that sell you on the fake made to seem real. Might do better to support causes that are OPPOSITE of what they think is important.

  14. Appreciate the realness of you and for NOT being Holly – weird. I have always enjoyed both Kevin Bacon and wife Kyra Sedgewick works on and off "the stage/camera)."Nice to know there are those who can live life out of the limelight. Thanks for BE-ing you

  15. The closest I got I think…
    A friend of mine was on a plane and saw him trying to be camouflaged by covering up in a overcoat and hat while he was finding his seat, but she knew exactly who it was, then winked at him and walked away. I love Kevin Bacon.

  16. The first time I saw him was in the invisible guy movie…I hated this guy. That's just how great of an actor he is.

  17. If anyone ever questions Kevin Bacon's acting ability, please go watch the film Sleepers (1995). I honestly didn't think much of
    Bacon as an actor until I saw that film. Wow. He is completely terrifying and despicable yet totally compelling to watch.

    He is on a very LONG list of actors/actresses deserving of an Academy Award yet does not have one.

  18. Anybody remember when Jamie was pregnant on Mad About You? They referenced this game when Jamie told a woman in the elevator she was pregnant. This was awful because Paul and Jamie's family were the last to know.

  19. What's amazing is Kevin didn't realize what an absolute compliment was being paid to him with the creation of the Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon game. The first time I heard of it I was like WOW what an awesome concept and what an awesome actor! It means your work is so prolific and vast that you can be connected to any other actor as well as lots of famous people who are non-actors. Plus it was just a lot of fun to play. I was shocked when I first heard he was pissed off about it. No, it's a gift! A compliment on your extraordinary work! And it's been going for 25 years now.

  20. Let's see… Intelligent, a Thinker, compassionate AND passionate, handsome… Yep, I can definitely see what Ms. Sedgwick saw in you. 😚

  21. Really interesting that he doesn't consider himself one of the "greats" in the acting world. He is one of the most believable actors and has been for years. I saw "Sleepers" on opening night and couldn't watch another Kevin Bacon film for a decade, his performance was so chilling.

  22. Kevin Bacon has starred in some of the most influential films in cinema history. Ingrained into our popular culture forever, Bacon's films span every genre of the human condition.

    I thought that was Robert De Niro. Then again, the Robert De Niro Effect doesnt sound that classy.

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