Spray foam insulation nightmare: What can happen if it’s not installed correctly (CBC Marketplace)

Spray foam insulation nightmare: What can happen if it’s not installed correctly (CBC Marketplace)


(♪♪)>>Tom: This week on “Marketplace”.>>I’m afraid for the children and, you know, what they’ve been exposed to.>>Tom: Insulation nightmares.>>I think we’ve got what we need for the lab.>>Tom: It’s a popular energy saver.>>When It’s installed properly, it’s really — it’s a bullet proof product.>>It’s gotta come out, the foam’s gotta come out.>>Tom: That could put you out of house and home …>>You’re playing kind of a game of Russian Roulette with this.>>Tom: And transform your life into a renovation horror story. (♪♪)>>Tom: It’s a scorching June day. We’re driving into the Caledon Hills, north of Toronto, and into a nightmare. The house of their dreams, now haunted. The owners living in a camper steps from the front door. This is a refuge for Robert and Sonia Franceschini and their two kids. I guess it won’t be a long tour.>>No probably not. So this is where we’ve been living.>>Tom: Wow, yeah.>>This is the trailer. The kitchenette area.>>Tom: Right. So you’ve got two young children. Are they asking lots of questions about why are we in here?>>We try not to talk too much in front of them so they don’t get worried or frightened.>>Tom: What could be so frightening? Wow, big house. Nice. It’s just 14 years old he says. 3000 square feet. Mortgage free. But right now, he couldn’t sell it if he tried. The reason? There’s something in the air. Ok the bedroom. Oh yeah, I can smell that.>>Oh, yeah.>>Tom: Geez.>>It’s pretty bad.>>Tom: Pretty strong, yeah. foul. Like bad fish smell.>>The hotter it gets the more, the more it smells.>>Tom: Right.>>The more it smells.>>Tom: And if you stay in here long, what happens?>>Well, you’ll see within the first five minutes you’ll probably start getting a headache.>>Tom: Actually I’m getting a headache now, honest to God. I’m feeling something here. Yeah, it’s quite, uh, it’s insidious. It’s not just the bad smell that’s made their home unliveable.>>Well I started feeling like excruciating pain, joint pain, in the knees and I had swelling in my legs and my feet. And, uh, I just looked at Robert and I said, Robert, I think I need to go to the hospital.>>Tom: They feel as if their house is attacking them. The trouble started this spring they say. Just days after their attic was treated with spray foam insulation. Did you call the company and explain you were having problems? What did they do?>>I brought them up to the bedroom where the main problem was and they said they really couldn’t smell anything. And I was flabbergasted.>>Tom: So what did you think when the company said we don’t smell anything?>>Well, I knew exactly where this was gonna go. And this is why were still here two months later.>>Tom: You heard right. On our visit, they’d been out of their home for two months. When she has to go inside, Sonia wears a mask.>>We thought we were doing something to improve our home and instead they basically destroyed my home. They ruined it. We can’t live in it anymore.>Tom: Not the kind of testimonial the spray foam industry wants to hear. Over the past decade, it’s become the hottest trend in Canadian home insulation. The industry is growing by 30% every year. Why the boom? High heating costs, government tax credits.>>They introduced spray foam which I absolutely love.>>Tom: And those home reno shows. (♪♪)>>Tom: The spray foamer those stars rely on?>>Sorry I can’t remember all the shows, there’s so many.>>Tom: Alex Schuts, who started his own business while in high school.>>I’ve been doing it 22 years. I live and breathe insulation. It’s good for the environment because we save on burning of fossil fuels. It doesn’t let drafts through. when It’s installed properly It’s really a bullet proof product, right.>>Tom: Hmm, when it’s installed properly?>>It’s not simple, and you don’t just pick up the gun and start spraying.>>Tom: Nope, it’s more like a science project right in your home. The sprayer is mixing two sets of serious chemicals he’s specially trained to handle. The conditions have to be just right. And the foam has to be sprayed in thin layers, so it can cure allowing the chemicals to stabilize. It’s sophisticated stuff that promises an energy efficient home. And Alex Schuts says it works that way almost every time.>>There’s a lot of foam being sprayed, there’s a lot of happy customers.>>Tom: In fact, the Franceschini’s were happy when they had a family property spray foamed this past spring. But after their attic job at home, Sonia says not only did she feel ill, she says her daughter broke out in rashes.>>I’m afraid for the children and, you know, what they’ve been exposed to and, um, you know, is there going to be any long term effects to what they’ve been exposed to and it’s just really upsetting. (♪♪)>>Tom: Fear, stress, uncertainty for two months. Time to find out if this foam has taken possession of their home. We call in Frank Haverkate. Frank, how are you doing.>>Hi Tom, how are you, nice to see you.>>Tom: He’s a certified indoor air quality specialist. He’s trying to figure out what chemicals might be floating around.>>Let’s take a reading in the bedroom where we smell odours.>>Tom: He pulls out his computerized air detector. And the small tins gather air samples for later.>>All these samples are going to be here for 48 hours.>>Tom: Then we enter the belly of the beast. If an attic can be a belly.>>So we just want to get a cutaway of the inside of the core closest to the bottom.>>Tom: Frank also wants to test a foam sample.>>I’m not wearing any nitral gloves or any gloves because I don’t want the chemicals from the nitral affecting the sample that I’m cutting.>>Tom: Could this be what’s giving off bad fumes?>>I don’t know if you want to take a sniff of that but it has a pretty good odour to it.>>Tom: Mmm, it’s that fishy odour again, right? Same smell from the bedroom. we’re right above the bedroom, right here.>>I think we’ve got what we need for the lab.>>Tom: Excellent.>>Great. Let’s get out of this sauna.>>Tom: I agree with you. There is no graceful way to do this. Foam samples in hand, Frank heads out, and offers a few last minute instructions to the family.>>Stay out of the bedroom. just leave everything the way it is I’ll be back in a couple of days to pick it up.>>Tom: The Franceschini’s may feel alone in this horror show.>>We all felt burning like ammonia.>>Tom: Turns out they’re not.>>We live with a nightmare still.>>Tom: Tales from the deep south. Reveal more foam invasions.>>You’re playing kind of a game of russian roulette with this. (♪♪) (♪♪)>>Tom: we’re investigating a renovation horror story, and our journey into the dark side of spray foam has taken us south to the sunshine state.>>Tonight action 9 exposes a growing threat to local home owners.>>Tom: Where we heard more reports of foam invasions.>>My heart just started racing and racing, and I was hyperventilating and I fell to the ground.>>Tom: I’m in Kissimi, Florida, an Orlando suburb. on the way to meet Joan and Mike Roth. Driven from their house by spray foam three years ago. So your trailer was over here?>>Yes, it was over on thisre? side. That was a nightmare. that’s how we list everything that happened to us, just the overall category, we call it a nightmare.>>We all felt burning like ammonia, it was an awful experience.>>This just gives you a sense of how deep this is.>>Tom: Their home video is now the Rothi’s personal horror flick. It started when they spray foamed the attic. They wanted to cut their energy costs. It was the cost of their health and home that blindsided them.>>We say before the foam and after the foam. I mean, It’s changed our lives.>>Tom: First the installer and manufacturer claimed there were no problems. Then tried some repairs. nothing worked.>>So I actually got on the phone and called remediation companies,companies that take out asbestos, and that type of thing, deal with mould problems; none of them had a protocol for spray foam. Nobody was going to touch it.>>Tom: What the Roths were learning is that North American spray foam industry has no official guidelines for taking out a bad job.>>So we said we’re going to have to pull the sheeting off the roof, pull the whole thing off, and have someone mechanically go in and scrape every piece of wood and every piece of drywall and take it and throw it away.>>Tom: And how did that go?>>What was it, 16 days?>>Sixteen days it took.>>Finally they got 90-some per cent of it out.>>Tom: Safely locked away in the garage, Mike is keeping some relics from their ordeal. Looks like candy.>>It does not smell like candy.>>Tom: Oh, yeah, yeah, sort of a fishy smell. There are other reminders that are far more upsetting. Their son Julian has suffered from asthma and joint pain ever since, reacts to the chlorine in the pool. But the Roths say he was fine until the morning the spraying started, when he was sleeping.>>This is Julian’s bedroom. this is where they sprayed first. I’m still upset when I think about that crucial time when he was in the room when they were spraying right over his bedroom. Makes me sick. Makes me sick to think about.>>Tom: In fact, the whole family was inside that day.>>They didn’t say anything about leaving the house and here they are spraying these chemicals up there and we’re still in the house.>>Tom: Health issues. Smelly foam. Living in a trailer. The Roth’s story is eerily similar to our Canadian case. As spray foam’s popularity has spread, so have more troubling stories.>>You’re playing kind of a game of Russian roulette with this.>>Tom: Bernie Bloom is a kind of foam buster.>>It doesn’t matter if you did it right twenty times in a row, the twenty first home might be different.>>Tom: People such as Bernie are in demand across the U.s. they’re expert advisors for a number of class action lawsuits currently underway. a leading indoor air scientist for 40 years, he’s involved with dozens of bad spray foam issues, six of them here in Florida.>>We have more and more houses being sprayed. I expect there’s going to be more, not fewer, problems.>>Tom: The man who helped design ventilation systems for the international space station believes spray foam is a formula for trouble.>>The foam itself is manufactured in the house, not in a factory. If you spray it too thick and it gets too hot, then the reactions that happen are not what was designed in the factory or in the laboratory. You got a runaway reaction.>>Tom: So that fishy smell? Bernie says it means the chemicals in the foam weren’t mixed right and didn’t stabilize.>>When it works, it does fine. When it doesn’t work, and if you’re in the house, you can become chemically sensitized which is a dreadful condition.>>Tom: Bernie’s not a doctor. but experience tells him that’s what happened to the Roths. Why would they be there or why wouldn’t they be told to leave?>>If you tell somebody, um, we’re going to spray the stuff, It’s great stuff, but we want you not to be in the house for a day or two. which is conventional industry Internal guidance, some people are going to ask, why? Is there something wrong? Is it toxic?>>Tom: The day their attic was sprayed in Caledon, the Franceschinis weren’t worried about the foam because they say, they didn’t know about staying out of the house.>>Most of the time we were out here while they were spraying. If we needed something we’d run in the house and get it. When the salesman was here he may have mentioned it, but I don’t recall. But out of all pamphlets, paperwork I got, or all my quotes, nothing in there that says I should have stayed out of the house, cause that would have stuck in my head.>>Tom: And here’s their job quote. Nothing about staying out of the house. Nothing in the company brochures either. Meantime, It’s been more than three months since they’ve had a family meal in their dining room or kitchen.>>What took you so long?>>Oh, please.>>Tom: Can it really be that bad in the house so long after the job was done? (♪♪)>>Tom: Oh, yeah. It’s still there. There’s still that fishy smell.>>It’s still off gassing.>>Tom: Yeah, you can still smell it.>>We’ll turn that fan on, ventilate the whole house, open up all the windows, shut it down and it’s right back.>>Tom: Remember — we tested the bad air in the master bedroom and the foam above it. Now Frank Haverkate is back with some unsettling results. The air samples reveal a laundry list of chemicals.>>In a nutshell you’ve got some Toluene issues, you’ve got MEK issues.>>Tom: Some of those things can be linked to cancer.>>Ethylbenzene.>>Tom: Frank believes the spray foam job’s to blame but can’t conclusively prove it. Now for the foam results.>>One of the surprising things is we found formaldehyde. Now, it’s –>>Tom: Formaldehyde?. We’re surprised. The manufacturer of the Franceschini’s foam says their insulation doesn’t contain formaldehyde or similar compounds.>>Again, they’re low levels but, uh, it really shouldn’t be there.>>Tom: Frank thinks It’s the installation job gone wrong, creating new, dangerous chemicals. What do you think about what you’re hearing.>>Needless to say It’s scary.>>Tom: You scared?>>Yes, very much so.>>Tom: So what’s your advice to them?>>You’re gonna have to get the product removed.>>Tom: Desperate times, desperate measures.>>Well, you can only stay in a trailer for so long.>>Tom: you’re about to see one extreme makeover. (♪♪) (♪♪) (♪♪)>>Tom: The Franchini’s are tired of trailer living.>>Go into our room, go. (♪♪)>>Tom: Tired of being spooked by the spray foam in their attic.>>I’m still in disbelief. I can’t believe that somebody would do this to a family and not want to take ownership for what they did.>>I need to get back into my house.>>Tom: And they’re tired of searching for answers. The foam manufacturer had the air and the foam tested and said its product wasn’t causing problems. Then, an independent group determined a section of foam was too thick and emitting chemicals. The manufacturer eventually agreed. the family has heard enough.>>It’s gotta come out, the foam’s gotta come out. (♪♪)>>It’s gotta come right out. Yep.>>Tom: Removing bad foam is what Alex Schuts is up to today.>>Mainly on this side. This side too. It’s the middle section that’s the worst.>>Tom: The stuff his man sprayed isn’t making anyone sick and it doesn’t stink but It’s cracking and peeling.>>Never seen it this thick. This is the worst I’ve ever. seen, Tom. It’s terrible.>>Tom: Yes. TV’s most famous foam sprayer doesn’t always get it right and the industry agrees not every job is perfect.>>I hate the fact that it’s happening, but we’re here, we’re here to fix it. And it doesn’t cost the customer any money.>>Tom: How common is it for installers to have to take out foam?>>It’s rare. It’s happening more now than probably in the past because there’s a lot more newer contractors out there.>>Tom: In your view, then, if an installer gets it wrong, are they obliged to fix it do you think?>>Damn right. Yeah, yeah. If you’re not doing what you’re supposed to be doing, fix it.>>Tom: So we’re hitting the road to Huntsville, Ontario, to talk to the company that spray foamed the Franceschini’s attic. A family business called Thermoseal Insulation. Richard Clement is the owner. So what do we have here?>>So this is the chemical, the two chemicals go together. If It’s not sprayed correctly it certainly could be a problem.>>Tom: he’s been in the business for decades. He figures the company’s done about 15,000 spray foam jobs, and says it’s their first case like this.>>I was in the bedroom, like the master bedroom upstairs.>>Yes.>>Tom: That’s where I got that smell. Did your folks go up there when they first visited the house?>>When they went there and couldn’t, they couldn’t detect it — I should qualify that,ct that they did smell, but it’s the smell they are accustomed to with a fresh application of polyurethane foam. They didn’t detect a fishy smell as the homeowner did.>>Tom: Richard says consultants told him only about 1% of the foam was bad.>>Tom: So why didn’t your company take out that foam?>>We offered to take out that foam. The homeowner decided that he wanted to have the entire attic area, 13 or 1400 square feet removed and that, in our opinion, and every other professional’s opinion was — unrealistic and unwarranted.>>Tom: Given that um, the wife got sick, days after it happened, can you understand why they’d probably want to get rid of it, get it out of their house?>>We’re sorry that the folks got sick but we don’t feel that it’s necessarily anything to do with the foam.>>Tom: He also disagrees with the family’s claim they weren’t warned about staying out of the house. There are guidelines that say in a residence the family shouldn’t be in the house for 24 hours.>>He was told that. he was told that by three different people from our company.>>Tom: Is there a reason it’s not on like the quote or the contract or anything like that written down?>>Since that incident we have put it in writing.>>Tom: Here’s Thermoseal’s new contract. By signing, the homeowner acknowledges: I have been informed of the health hazards and. I am not to occupy my residence for a period of one day (24 hours) after spray foam is installed. Spray foam is popular but Clements suggests it’s not always the best insulation choice.>>Tom: You try to talk people out of it.>>Yes, we do. So maybe people are using it too much in their houses?>>in some of the places we’re working it’s become the standard and there are, I think there are better applications out there.>>Tom: So if you’re thinking of Insulating, learn the risks, and benefits, of all kinds of insulation. If you pick spray foam, make sure the installer is certified and experienced. Get a guarantee of foam removal in writing, in case things go wrong. And stay away for at least a day. (♪♪)>>Tom: As for the Franceschinis, the disturbing tale of the house in the Caledon Hills has reached the end of the road. Are they still in the trailer? They got some relief? Problem solved? Trying to find out.>>Well, a you can come in and have a look. As far as you can see, if you look up there, the whole roof was removed.>>Tom: they’ve actually blown the lid off their home>>The only way to remove the foam for safety reasons was to Remove the whole roof.>>Tom: This renovation horror story ends with a domestic decapitation. Did they take it off in one piece?>>Yeah, the ceiling is still underneath. Well, we can see from the front. (♪♪)>>Tom: It’s almost like a skeleton in a way, right? Its finally stopped haunting you.>>Thank God that it’s outta my house and we don’t have to breath any of this anymore.>>Tom: After this long nightmare and its dramatic end Robert Franceschni is waking up to a new realization. He has to think about insulation again.>>And I have to be honest with you, I haven’t gotten to That stage yet on what to do. I guess it would be really stupid to try and re-spray foam. So… (♪♪)

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  1. Formaldehyde and amine. Most modern insulation foam doesn’t even use it anymore. New foams even have a one hour re-entry time. This is really old news. This contractor was proven to be using the improper products at improper ratios. I can’t even replicate this odor with new products out today.

  2. This should have been also applied to the roof deck in order to seal the outer envelope of the attic space. Filling the joists is a recipe for disaster. They obviously sprayed wet to high of a lift in one pass with off ratio products.

  3. Like every product, it has a life expectancy, and do you think the spray foam companies are going to inform you?

    Now think! When it’s time to replace it – how much will that cost! 🤣

    Just like stucco, you’ve been ripped off.

    Here’s some advice: easy to install and easy to remove = good product.

    If you can resell the product after it’s been removed = great product.

    Spray foam insulation = con product, garbage, trash, AVOID

  4. Spray foam made from part A and B mixed in a device which heats it and proportions it then pushed thru a heated hose to a spray gun. Sounds like the source chemicals are contaminated. Chinese drywall in the early 2000s contaminated with formaldehyde was installed in 1000s homes. Same remedy must be removed.

  5. Can't be dangerous if even the pro has no safety clothing PPE puts a piece to his nose and sniffs ya get all the badness into you bunch of dump asses with equipment all around no common sense scrape it out a couple hundred dollars to clear it out no go buy 100.000 dollor mobile home better deal no let's take the roof off no need for that dramatic ….at least the old fella knows the story

  6. I sent my comments before it ended he has to install new insulation iam laughing so much tears are rolling down my face funny people OMG

  7. yeah not happening here……my electrician friend says that houses are built way too tight in this day in age and why there are more carbon monoxide deaths and injuries these days , houses can't breath anymore. I will gladly burn my 4.5 tons of pellets per year than deal with a problem like this…….

  8. I'm more terrified of spray foam than the monster under the bed …it sticks to everything and won't come off hence SKIN**YIKES GEEZ THESE PEOPLE WENT OVERBOARD AN ADAPTABLE VENTING SYSTEM WOULD HAVE BEEN WISER .

  9. WHY on earth would someone with such a beautiful home get spray insulation installed?? Even a regular dumbie knows better than that, common logic. I have a house with absolutely no insulation in it at all and it does great in the winter and summer without insulation, and you just feel cleaner knowing there's no nasties up in the roof space above you. Even regular insulation isn't a good idea, full of all types of nasty particles.

  10. We used the same chemicals in the US Navy when creating pilot helmet liners. It comes in 2 parts and when combined it was poured into the top of the helmet liner while the pilot holds it against is head lightly with 2 straps on each side. Once the foaming stops bellowing (out the top hole) it's cut away excess then install into the helmet.

  11. I don't get how these western countries use cheap material in building the house and the house ends up costing millions of dollars and the same house in the Middle East/ASIA/RUSSIA/half of Europe cost so much less and not to mention they use stronger material.

  12. Common sense

    If chemicals are being sprayed in your house then clearly you don't need to have Einsteins brain to know that you shouldn't be in the house and not to mention not come back in the house for a certain amount of time. Good spraying job or bad comes later.

  13. One simple tip.

    Do your own research and talk to people face to face as well as on the Internet to see the side effects. The good and the bad.

    And by no means is looking at a specific website and say that you did your research. No company will say things that makes them loose new customers.

  14. I am going to give this Story Three out of Ten. 3 for the Quality and Coverage of the Story, but I Deducted 7 Points because of Too Many missing Considerations. So overall a Dysfunctional Take on what is going on.

  15. Get this, you got an old Widow lady will 15-30 cats in the house. And the cat's in the house pisses s*** and everything else in the house and the lady cannot smell it, because you got so use of the ammonia smell of piss and s*** and doesn't bother her. And that is the same thing with the insulation,they been around it they know I smell like it doesn't bother them

  16. No common sense and irresponsibility being in the house while they were spraying. I had my whole house done, I was out for two days with the windows open during that time. An obvious chemical reaction going on during curing.

  17. Thank God these folks had a camper!! Could you imagine?!! This is terrible! Whoever the contractor is. ….ooooo boy I hope they got in a TON of trouble!!! There are kids that live here!!

  18. This is just nuts!! If you make a product that contains harsh chemicals that can harm ppl….. why the hell would this be used in ppls homes??!!! I mean, it's common sense!! Sure, it's easier, but it'll be easy to have a law suit in your hands, and in this instance. …I'm sure many!!! This is crazy!!!!

  19. I think the first house was fine, but it just had air balance problems. Possibly caused the attic have positive pressure causing attic air to be pushed into the house

  20. There are non-toxic soy based foam insulation alternatives. It is more costly because not popularized but, it needs to be looked at and used more.
    We are killing ourselves and our planet.

  21. I have used the small hand held cans of spray foam and I will ONLY purchase the water-based formula as it cleans up with soap and water. Read the label before you purchase any.

  22. Not me. We used regular insulation. Works great. Need to call an ebatement team to get rid of it so you won't be paying for a house you are not living in. God bless.

  23. I.m very concerned at the quality of the reporting here. Surely they should have been able to find other horror stories but if they did none were reported. Reporters have been used many times in the past either willingly or unwittingly to cast a really distorted light on someone or something. I am leaning toward believing this is an agenda driven piece.

  24. Can they get it removed ? Looks like the company would remove it . Just imagine the ppl that r spraying that stuff what their health is like . I am not a sue person but they should b sued .

  25. When you use this, you are automatically assuming you wont have to do renovations, electrical, or water line work. Most companies spray this with little concern for anything but insulation. Imagine a water line bursting, and slowly washing this insulation into your drinking water. Yuck.

  26. CBC News: Why don't they use fiberglass that millions of homes have been using for over a hundred years? You can do it yourself in no time. I did my parents attic when I was 13 years old.

  27. Seems insane to me, to coat water pipes and wires with something that looks like dried up whipped icing or topping.

  28. Stuff like that wouldn't get on the market in my Country it's not proper investigate way too much safety issues way to much health issues and not reuseble. not Economy in any way. The fact that tubes, pipes and wires are covered is pure madness 1.a electric fire would lit up house like a torch 2.broken water pipe undiscovered get not only fungus all over the place it will destroy the framework drywall and foundation. That stuff is a killer in my pov.

  29. owner of company is obvious as con artist or scam artist or whatever you want to call it whether it's 1% or 99%. Matter if it's one tenth of a percent you pull it all out and you ignored again cuz if you can't get it a little bit all a list of toxic chemicals right you don't need deserve to be in business ever anywhere

  30. Why don't they say "specifically" what they did wrong with the foam? Was it emitting fishy odors because they mixed too much of Part A and too little of Part B???? Or too much of Part B with part A? Or was it because the center didn't cure because they mixed it correctly, but applied it too thick causing the outer shell to cure and not the center?? Or was it a combination of the two, improper mixing and too-thick an application causing the worker to over apply because it wasn't expanding as it should? It is not helpful to the viewer to not have these things made clear.

  31. That company man is lying, that poor family has lived in the camper for the fun of it?? no they are being poison.., So the foam guy says the mom is not sick because of his foam, and refuses to remove it all?? I hope they sued the fire out of them.

  32. This company has totes of the spray foam Most companies uses drums Which are used up faster As spray foam does have a expiry Screwing up spray foam is : Too much applied at one time, Spray foam is too hot or too cold, Or the area being applied is too Hot/cold. Chemcials are outdated which will still work to a point But cause by product chemcials which do not release as a vapor in a short period of time… I looked deep into spray foam Long ago when i sprayed my Camper van with 2 inches of foam 2+ years ago Never had any issues And have slept in my van with it being -35c outside with only a small office heater

  33. You want a warm house build it yourself with 12 inch thick exterior walls and blow in R80 into your attic…. all fiberglass.

  34. Come on now those people that removed their roof got ripped off totally unnecessary could b removed with out taking roof off

  35. I got screwed by insurance on a 10 yo roof cause it was SoUtHeRn FaCiNg & had a leak. I had to replace all the insulation in a large area. Insurance offered to tarp my roof & spray foam it & wouldnt charge my 1k deductible. Bastards!!! I told em I wanted batten!

  36. It does'nt matter. Canadians buy whatever their boss, best friend, front pew crew at church, etc. tell them is the best. Sad truth.

  37. I'm and HVAC tech and our sliver metal ductwork tape can tape over this foam and eliminate the toxins. I had two small thin walls done in two bedrooms back to back to silence it up a bit which works, but this same fishy crap smell happened, so I took of the drywall myself and duct taped it up and put up some new drywall over the insulation and tape and it was completely gone and silenced the rooms even more. Too bad an attic is too damn big to just put down tape everywhere.

  38. @7:07 – is it customary for the ceiling joists to be sprayed with foam insulation or is it more common and likely proper application for it to be sprayed on the roof rafters instead?

  39. Campers are not made for living in..there are warnings in all new campers saying that full time living is not considered safe due to the fumes from manufacturing the camper.

  40. I mean the way they've described it is not a fault of the product but of the people installing it incorrectly. Would you blame a certain type of circuit breaker for burning your house down after an incorrect installation or the electrician?

  41. We just had the spray foam insulation in the attic in our brand new house……dropped the electric bills big time. Only one problem……off gassing !! massive "new house smell" we had to use air scrubber for days and a couple weekends we opened all the windows and let it air out, but after a couple weeks it was gone, its perfect now.

  42. so at the end of your video . what did you try to solve ? gas mixture insulation? what was the point of your video? so far it illustrates improper mixture can lead to another company having to spray again. I usually would refrain from posting videos that have no end .(personal opinion). Caring individuals should not post things redundant . or maybe illustrate which gases causes which reaction /smell . then go from there . but excellent graphics great camera and sound . no existing conclusion( the house ended up being sprayed again.)

  43. From my experience spray foam creates moisture between it and what is attaches too. I have seen time and time again mould, rot, wet, damp and flooding all because of spray foam insulation.

  44. I construct steel home's and buildings, we have used spray foam in quite a few of our projects without incident for year's now. I feel it was definitely on the installer for not following one or more of the steps on proper installation guidelines.

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