Gingrich explains difference in how Trump, Clinton handle probes


HALF HOUR, THE PRESIDENT PRESIDENT VERSUS THE SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE. PRESIDENT TRUMP AND NANCY PELOSI, THE HOUSE SPEAKER, TRADING BARBS AFTER THEIR FAILED INFRASTRUCTURE MEETING THIS WEEK.>>ANOTHER TEMPER TANTRUM AGAIN. I PRAY FOR THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. I WISH HIS FAMILY OR HIS ADMINISTRATION OR HIS STAFF WOULD HAVE AN INTERVENTION FOR THE GOOD OF THE COUNTRY. THIS IS NOT BEHAVIOR THAT RISES TO THE DIG ANY YOU AT THIS TO THE DIGNINY YOU AT THIS TO THE DIGNITY YOU AT THIS TO THE DIGNITY OOU AT THIS TO THE DIGNITY OFU AT THIS TO THE DIGNITY OF TAT THIS TO THE DIGNITY OF THE THIS TO THE DIGNITY OF THE OHIS TO THE DIGNITY OF THE OFFS TO THE DIGNITY OF THE OFFICE OF PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES.>>I WALKED INTO THE CABINET ROOM, YOU HAD THE GROUP, CRYING CHUCK, CRAZY NANCY. I TELL YOU WHAT, I’VE BEEN WATCHING HER AND I HAVE BEEN WATCHING HER FOR A LONG PERIOD OF TIME. SHE’S NOT THE SAME PERSON. DAGEN: JOINING ME NOW, FORMER HOUSE SPEAKER, FOX NEWS CONTRIBUTOR AND COLLUSION AUTHOR, NEWT GINGRICH. MR. SPEAKER, NEWT, GOOD TO SEE YOU.>>GREAT TO SEE YOU. DAGEN: WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THE BACK AND FORTH HAD HERE?>>LOOK, I THINK HE PELOSI IS UNDER GREAT PRESSURE FROM HER RAIL CAD RADI CAD RADICAAD RADICALD RADICAL RING. SHE SAID LET’S NOT TRY TO IMPEACH HIM AND THEY BLEW UP. SHE SAID WELL, MAYBE WE’LL HAVE TO IMPEACH HIM. TRUMP TAKES IT PERSONALLY. I MEAN, ONE OF THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN CLINTON IN THIS SITUATION AND PRESIDENT TRUMP IS CLINTON KNEW HE HAD DONE SOMETHING WRONG AND HE DIDN’T TAKE IT PERSONALLY. HE UNDERSTOOD HE HAD LIVE THROUGH IT. HE HAD TO FIGHT IT OUT. HE AND I COULD TALK LIKE YOU AND I ARE TALKING. I THINK THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP LOOKS AT ALL THE INVESTIGATIONS, ALL THE DEMANDS, ALL THE LAWSUITS AND HE’S JUST FED UP AND I THINK THIS MAY BE THE BEGINNING OF THE NEXT YEAR, THAT THE TWO OF THEM ARE JUST GOING TO BE ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO BE IN THE SAME ROOM AND WORK TOGETHER. DAGEN: WHERE DOES THAT LEAVE THE COUNTRY, THOUGH? AGAIN, THIS INFRASTRUCTURE PLAN FALLS BY THE WAYSIDE. THE USMCA PASSAGE, THE NEW TRADE DEAL WITH MEXICO AND CANADA, IT GOES POTENTIALLY NOWHERE. THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS THAT COULD HAVE GOTTEN DONE, POTENTIALLY, THAT WON’T.>>LOOK, REAGAN HAD A GOOD RULE WHICH IS THAT HE TOOK THINGS TO THE COUNTRY AND GOT THE COUNTRY TO PRESSURE THE CONGRESS. IF THE PRESIDENT WORKS WITH THE PEOPLE IN AMERICA WHO WANT THE TRADE AGREEMENT WITH MEXICO AND CANADA, THEY’LL BRING ENOUGH PRESSURE THAT THE CONGRESS WILL PASS IT, EVEN IF — PELOSI IN THE END CAN’T REJECT THE WHOLE COUNTRY. SHE CAN REJECT TRUMP. TRUMP’S JOB IS GOING TO BE DON’T TRY TO CUT A DEAL WITH HER. I THINK HE COULD CUT A DEAL WITH SCHUMER. I THINK PELOSI IS POSSIBLE. HE’S GOING TO SAY I WANT ENOUGH PRESSURE BROUGHT ON HOUSE MEMBERS THAT THE YOU HOUSE MEMBERS GO TO PELOSI AND SAY WE HAVE TO PASS THIS. WE DON’T HAVE TO LIKE TRUMP BUT WE HAVE TO PASS THIS. I THINK THAT’S WHAT WILL HAPPEN WITH THE MEXICO AND CANADIAN AGREEMENT. DAGEN: IS THE FAR LEFT WING IN THE PARTY AND I MEAN A JERRY NADLER AND AN ADAM SCHIFF, THE COMMITTEE CHIEFS, ARE THEY LOUDER AND MORE POWERFUL IN TERMS OF THEIR PRESSURE ON NANCY PELOSI? DO YOU THINK THAT ULTIMATELY THEY DO BEGIN IMPEACHMENT PROCEEDINGS AGAIN AND YOU KNOW THIS WELL, THAT IT EXPANDS THE POWER OF INVESTIGATION BY THESE COMMITTEES IF THEY START IMPEACHMENT PROCEEDINGS AND IT NARROWS THE ABILITY OF THE PRESIDENT TO INVOKE EXECUTIVE PRIVILEGE. AND THAT’S WHAT THEY WANT, RIGHT?>>I’M NOT SURE THAT’S TRUE. AGAIN, THEY CAN BEGIN IMPEACHMENT PROCEEDINGS. THEIR CURRENT ARGUMENT IS WE HAVE TO DO THIS TO GET THE INFORMATION. THAT’S SORT OF BACKWARDS. NORMALLY, YOU GET THE INFORMATION AND THEN YOU START IMPEACHING. I THINK THAT THE PRESIDENT WILL JUST — WILL FIGHT IT OUT. PRESIDENT TRUMP WHEN HE WAS IN BUSINESS WAS VERY SUCCESSFUL USING LAWYERS. AND DID IT ALL THE TIME. AND I THINK THAT HE IS VERY COMFORTABLE — HE’S GOT AN ATTORNEY GENERAL WHO VERY DISTINGUISHED. EVERYBODY THINKS THAT BARR IS A VERY SMART GUY. I THINK THE ATTORNEY GENERAL WILL BE PRETTY HAPPY TO DEFEND HIM AND PRETTY ENTHUSIASTIC. BARR’S A VERY COMBATIVE GUY. HE DOESN’T GO OUT AND PICK A FIGHT BUT HE’S VERY WILLING TO FIGHT. DAGEN: BILL BARR SAID, THE ATTORNEY GENERAL SAID IN AN INTERVIEW THIS WEEK, HE SAID I AM DEFENDING THE PRESIDENCY.>>DAGEN: AND THE POWER OF THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH AND TRYING TO PREVENT IT FROM — THAT POWER BASICALLY BEING CHIPPED AWAY AT BY CONGRESS.>>WELL, HE WAS THE ATTORNEY GENERAL FOR THE FIRST PRESIDENT BUSH, GEORGE H.W. BUSH. SO HE HAS A REAL SENSE OF THE PRESIDENCY BEYOND TRUMP AS A PERSONALITY. AND I THINK HE’S ALSO — YOU SAW THIS IN THE MEMO HE WROTE BEFORE HE BECAME ATTORNEY GENERAL. I THINK HE’S DEEPLY OFFENDED BY THIS WHOLE PROCESS BY WHICH THE DEEP STATE TRIED TO DESTROY THE PRESIDENT. I THINK HE HAS NO SYMPATHY WITH THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN OUT TRYING TO DESTROY THE PRESIDENT, JUST PURELY ON POLITICAL GROUNDS, NOT BECAUSE HE DID SOMETHING WRONG, BUT BECAUSE THEY WERE OFFENDED THAT HE GOT ELECTED. DAGEN: LET’S TALK ABOUT TO FOES CUSS ON — HOW MANY TIME HAVE WE HEARD THE WORDS COVERUP FROM THE DEMOCRATS, JUST IN RECENT DAYS. COVERUP OF WHAT? THERE WAS INCREDIBLE COOPERATION BY THIS ADMINISTRATION WITH THE MUELLER REPORT. WE CAN GO THROUGH ALL THE DETAILS THAT WERE ON THAT SIGN IN THE ROSE GARDEN ON WEDNESDAY. INCREDIBLE COOPERATION AND THERE WAS NO CONSPIRACY AND THERE WAS NO COOPERATION BETWEEN THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN AND RUSSIA, PERIOD, FULL STOP. SO WHERE IS THE COVERUP IN THIS? YOU CAN ARGUE ABOUT THE OBSTRUCTION PART OF THE MUELLER REPORT. AGAIN, IF THEY SEE SOMETHING IN THAT, THEN PLEASE FEEL FREE, START IMPEACHMENT PROCEEDINGS. I THINK THE PRESIDENT IS SAYING I DARE YOU.>>I THINK HE’S SAYING I DARE YOU, PARTLY BECAUSE HE THINKS IT’S TOTALLY TO THEIR DISADVANTAGE. THE WHOLE THING MAKES THE DAMES LOOK MEAN AND VINDICTIVE. WHEN PEOPLE ASK ABOUT COLLUSION, I SAY YOU MEAN LIKE DELETING 33,000 E-MAILS, TAKING A HAMMER TO DESTROY YOUR CELL PHONES, USING BLEACH BIT TO DESTROY THE MEMORY OF YOUR COMPUTER, YOU MEAN THAT KIND OF OBSTRUCTION? I WISH BARR WOULD REOPEN THE QUESTION OF WHY WAS THE HE VERY SAME TEAM THAT WAS TRYING TO UNDERMINE TRUMP, WHY WERE THEY PROTECTING HILLARY. TO THIS DAY, I CAN’T IMAGINE THAT ANYBODY COULD DELETE 33,000 E-MAILS AND DESTROY THEIR CELL PHONES AND DESTROY THEIR COMPUTER MEMORY AND NOT HAVE A SERIOUS INVESTIGATION. DAGEN: IN TERMS OF — YOU BROUGHT UP TAKING IT TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. SO PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS GIVEN BILL BARR THE AUTHORITY TO DECLASSIFY INFORMATION ABOUT THESE RUSSIA PROBES. WHAT DO YOU THINK HAPPENS IN THE SHORT RUN? WHAT WILL AMERICANS SEE FROM THIS?>>I THINK AMERICANS ARE GOING TO SEE THAT THERE WAS CLEARLY A CONSPIRACY IN THE DEEP STATE TO DESTROY THE CANDIDATE FOR PRESIDENT AND THEN THE ELECTED PRESIDENT IN A WAY WE’VE NEVER SEEN IN AMERICAN HISTORY. TO ME, AS A HISTORIAN, THIS IS AN ASTONISHING MOMENT TO REALIZE THAT THE TOP PEOPLE AT THE FBI, THE ATTORNEY GENERAL HAD TO BE INVOLVED, THERE’S THAT FAMOUS SECRET MEETING IN THE AIRPLANE WITH BILL CLINTON AND MY GUESS IS THAT THE PRESIDENT AND THE VICE PRESIDENT, WHICH GETS BACK TO BIDEN AS A CANDIDATE, THAT RAISES THE QUESTION, WHAT DID DEN BIN BIDENKNOW ABOUT ALL THIS STUFF? TWO ANSWERS, EITHER HE WAS AN INSIDER AND KNEW IT OR THEY THOUGHT HE WAS A DOOFUS AND THEY NEVER LET HIM IN THE ROOM. EITHER WAY, BIDEN IS INVOLVED IN THIS CONVERSATION. I THINK PEOPLE WILL BE SHOCKED AT THE DEPTH OF THE EFFORT BOTH TO PROTECT HILLARY AND TO DESTROY TRUMP. DAGEN: CAN WE SHOW THAT NEW YORKER CARTOON? WE WERE GOING TO SHOW THAT. BUT AGAIN, THE MEDIA — AGAIN, THE MEDIA — SO MANY PEOPLE IN THE MEDIA, THIS IS THE LATEST MAGAZINE TITLED, THE SHINING, SHOWS ATTORNEY GENERAL BILL BARR AND MITCH McCONNELL AND LINDSEY GRAHAM POLISHING THE PRESIDENT’S SHOES. THIS IS THE NARRATIVE FROM MUCH OF THE MEDIA DURING THE WHOLE RUSSIA COLLUSION NARRATIVE AND NOW — WELL, I’M SURPRISED IT ISN’T COVERUP RELATED, BUT –>>LOOK, I THINK IF YOU ARE A LIBERAL AND THE NEW YORKER CERTAINLY REPRESENTS THAT MARKET, EVERY MORNING YOU GET UP. THERE ARE TWEETS TO REMIND YOU WHO THE PRESIDENT IS AND IT DRIVES YOU CRAZY. THE NEW YORK TIMES, THE WASHINGTON POST, MSNBC, CNN, THE NEW YORKER, THEY’VE HAD TWO AND-A-HALF YEARS OF BEING TORTURED. I MEAN, THEY CAN’T — THIS MORNING, THEY GOT AWAKE AND HE WAS THERE AGAIN. I THINK AS LONG AS HE’S PRESIDENT, THE LEFT WING OF AMERICAN SOCIETY WILL BE GOING NUTS. DAGEN: REAL QUICK, DO THE DEMOCRATS START IMPEACHMENT PROCEEDINGS?>>I THINK PROBABLY IN THE END THE PRESSURE — THEY’RE PRESSURED TO DO IT. I THINK IT’S VERY HARD FOR PELOSI IN THE END TO STOP IT. DAGEN: DOES IT GO TO A FULL HOUSE VOTE.>>IT MIGHT. DEPENDS WHAT THE HEARINGS LOOK LIKE. IF YOU’RE FROM A MARGINAL DISTRICT, TRUMP WON A HUGE VICTORY IN THE SPECIAL ELECTION IN PENNSYLVANIA. IF I LOST THAT SEAT, THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN PAGE ONE. HE WON A BIG VICTORY. IF YOU’RE ONE OF THOSE DEMOCRATS WHO IS IN A SWING SEAT AND YOU HAVE TO GO BACK HOME AND GET ELECTED AGAIN NEXT YEAR, THE PRESSURE AGAINST YOU DOING ANYTHING ON IMPEACHMENT WILL GET BIGGER EVERY WEEK.

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