Facebook’s role in Brexit — and the threat to democracy | Carole Cadwalladr

Facebook’s role in Brexit — and the threat to democracy | Carole Cadwalladr


So, on the day after the Brexit vote, in June 2016, when Britain woke up to the shock of discovering that we’re leaving
the European Union, my editor at the “Observer”
newspaper in the UK asked me to go back to South Wales,
where I grew up, and to write a report. And so I went to a town called Ebbw Vale. Here it is. It’s in the South Wales Valleys,
which is this quite special place. So it’s had this very, sort of rich,
working-class culture, and it’s famous for its Welsh
male voice choirs and rugby and its coal. But when I was a teenager,
the coal mines and the steelworks closed, and the entire area was devastated. And I went there because it had one of
the highest “Leave” votes in the country. Sixty-two percent of the people here
voted to leave the European Union. And I wanted to know why. When I got there,
I was just a bit taken aback, because the last time I went to Ebbw Vale, it looked like this. And now, it looks like this. This is a new 33-million-pound
college of further education that was mostly funded
by the European Union. And this is the new sports center that’s at the middle of 350-million-pound
regeneration project that’s being funded by the European Union. And this is the new 77-million-pound
road-improvement scheme, and there’s a new train line,
a new railway station, and they’re all being funded
by the European Union. And it’s not as if
any of this is a secret, because there’s big signs
like this everywhere. [EU Funds: Investing in Wales] (Laughter) I had this sort of
weird sense of unreality, walking around the town. And it came to a head when I met this young man
in front of the sports center. And he told me that he had voted to leave, because the European Union
had done nothing for him. He was fed up with it. And all around town,
people told me the same thing. They said that they wanted
to take back control, which was one of the slogans
in the campaign. And they told me
that they were most fed up with the immigrants and with the refugees. They’d had enough. Which was odd. Because walking around,
I didn’t meet any immigrants or refugees. I met one Polish woman who told me she was practically
the only foreigner in town. And when I checked the figures, I discovered that Ebbw Vale actually has one of the lowest rates
of immigration in the country. And so I was just a bit baffled, because I couldn’t really understand where people were getting
their information from. Because it was the right-wing
tabloid newspapers which printed all these stories
about immigration. And this is a very much
left-wing Labour stronghold. But then after the article came out,
this woman got in touch with me. And she was from Ebbw Vale, and she told me about all this stuff
that she’d seen on Facebook. I was like, “What stuff?” And she said it was all this quite scary
stuff about immigration, and especially about Turkey. So I tried to find it. But there was nothing there. Because there’s no archive
of ads that people had seen or what had been pushed
into their news feeds. No trace of anything,
gone completely dark. And this referendum that will have
this profound effect forever on Britain — it’s already had a profound effect: the Japanese car manufacturers
that came to Wales and the north east to replace the mining jobs — they are already going because of Brexit. And this entire referendum
took place in darkness, because it took place on Facebook. And what happens on Facebook
stays on Facebook, because only you see your news feed,
and then it vanishes, so it’s impossible to research anything. So we have no idea who saw what ads or what impact they had, or what data was used
to target these people. Or even who placed the ads,
or how much money was spent, or even what nationality they were. But Facebook does. Facebook has these answers, and it’s refused to give them to us. Our parliament has asked Mark Zuckerberg
multiple times to come to Britain and to give us these answers. And every single time, he’s refused. And you have to wonder why. Because what I and other
journalists have uncovered is that multiple crimes
took place during the referendum. And they took place on Facebook. It’s because in Britain,
we limit the amount of money that you can spend in an election. And it’s because in the 19th century, people would walk around
with literally wheelbarrows of cash and just buy voters. So we passed these strict laws
to stop that from happening. But those laws don’t work anymore. This referendum took place
almost entirely online. And you can spend any amount of money
on Facebook or on Google or on YouTube ads and nobody will know,
because they’re black boxes. And this is what happened. We’ve actually got no idea
of the full extent of it. But we do know that in the last days
before the Brexit vote, the official “Vote Leave” campaign laundered nearly three quarters
of a million pounds through another campaign entity that our electoral commission
has ruled was illegal, and it’s referred it to the police. And with this illegal cash, “Vote Leave” unleashed
a fire hose of disinformation. Ads like this. [Turkey’s 76m people joining the EU] This is a lie, it’s a total lie. Turkey is not joining the European Union. There’s not even any discussions
of it joining the European Union. And most of us, we never saw these ads, because we were not the target of them. “Vote Leave” identified
a tiny sliver of people who it identified as persuadable,
and they saw them. And the only reason
we are seeing these now is because parliament forced
Facebook to hand them over. And maybe you think, “Well, it was just a bit of overspending. It’s a few lies.” But this was the biggest electoral fraud
in Britain for 100 years. In a once-in-a-generation vote that hinged upon just
one percent of the electorate. And it was just one of the crimes
that took place in the referendum. There was another group, which was headed
by this man, Nigel Farage, the one to the right of Trump. And his group, “Leave.EU” —
it also broke the law. It broke British electoral laws
and British data laws, and it’s also being
referred to the police. And this man, Arron Banks,
he funded this campaign. And in a completely separate case, he’s being referred
to our National Crime Agency, our equivalent of the FBI, because our electoral commission has concluded they don’t know
where his money came from. Or if it was even British. And I’m not even going to go into
the lies that Arron Banks has told about his covert relationship
with the Russian government. Or the weird timing of Nigel Farage’s
meetings with Julian Assange and with Trump’s buddy,
Roger Stone, now indicted, immediately before
two massive WikiLeaks dumps, both of which happened
to benefit Donald Trump. But I will tell you that Brexit
and Trump were intimately entwined. This man told me that Brexit
was the petri dish for Trump. And we know it’s the same people,
the same companies, the same data, the same techniques, the same use of hate and fear. This is what they
were posting on Facebook. And I don’t even want to call this a lie, [Immigration without assimilation
equals invasion] because it feels more
like a hate crime to me. I don’t have to tell you that hate and fear are being sown online
all across the world. Not just in Britain and America,
but in France and in Hungary and Brazil and Myanmar and New Zealand. And we know there is this dark undertow
which is connecting us all globally. And it is flowing
via the technology platforms. But we only see a tiny amount
of what’s going on on the surface. And I only found out anything
about this dark underbelly because I started looking into
Trump’s relationship to Farage, into a company called Cambridge Analytica. And I spent months tracking down
an ex-employee, Christopher Wiley. And he told me how this company,
that worked for both Trump and Brexit, had profiled people politically in order to understand
their individual fears, to better target them with Facebook ads. And it did this by illicitly
harvesting the profiles of 87 million people from Facebook. It took an entire year’s work
to get Christopher on the record. And I had to turn myself
from a feature writer into an investigative reporter to do it. And he was extraordinarily brave, because the company
is owned by Robert Mercer, the billionaire who bankrolled Trump, and he threatened
to sue us multiple times, to stop us from publishing. But we finally got there,
and we were one day ahead of publication. We got another legal threat. Not from Cambridge Analytica this time, but from Facebook. It told us that if we publish,
they would sue us. We did it anyway. (Applause) Facebook, you were
on the wrong side of history in that. And you were on the wrong side
of history in this — in refusing to give us
the answers that we need. And that is why I am here. To address you directly,
the gods of Silicon Valley. (Applause) Mark Zuckerberg … (Applause) and Sheryl Sandberg and Larry Page
and Sergey Brin and Jack Dorsey, and your employees
and your investors, too. Because 100 years ago, the biggest danger in the South Wales
coal mines was gas. Silent and deadly and invisible. It’s why they sent the canaries
down first to check the air. And in this massive, global, online
experiment that we are all living through, we in Britain are the canary. We are what happens to a western democracy when a hundred years of electoral laws
are disrupted by technology. Our democracy is broken,
our laws don’t work anymore, and it’s not me saying this, it’s our parliament published
a report saying this. This technology that you have
invented has been amazing. But now, it’s a crime scene. And you have the evidence. And it is not enough to say
that you will do better in the future. Because to have any hope
of stopping this from happening again, we have to know the truth. And maybe you think,
“Well, it was just a few ads. And people are smarter than that, right?” To which I would say,
“Good luck with that.” Because what the Brexit vote demonstrates is that liberal democracy is broken. And you broke it. This is not democracy — spreading lies in darkness,
paid for with illegal cash, from God knows where. It’s subversion, and you are accessories to it. (Applause) Our parliament has been
the first in the world to try to hold you to account, and it’s failed. You are literally beyond the reach
of British law — not just British laws, this is nine parliaments,
nine countries are represented here, who Mark Zuckerberg refused
to come and give evidence to. And what you don’t seem to understand
is that this is bigger than you. And it’s bigger than any of us. And it is not about left or right
or “Leave” or “Remain” or Trump or not. It’s about whether it’s actually possible to have a free and fair
election ever again. Because as it stands, I don’t think it is. And so my question to you is,
is this what you want? Is this how you want
history to remember you: as the handmaidens to authoritarianism that is on the rise all across the world? Because you set out to connect people. And you are refusing to acknowledge that the same technology
is now driving us apart. And my question to everybody else is, is this what we want: to let them get away with it, and to sit back and play with our phones,
as this darkness falls? The history of the South Wales Valleys
is of a fight for rights. And this is not a drill —
it’s a point of inflection. Democracy is not guaranteed,
and it is not inevitable, and we have to fight and we have to win and we cannot let these tech companies
have this unchecked power. It’s up to us — you, me and all of us. We are the ones
who have to take back control. (Applause) (Cheers) (Applause)

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  1. A journalist is bemoaning the loss of her power to manipulate public opinion. What a surprise.

    Liberal are only upset because they lost the vote, if their information manipulation had won, we'd never have heard about this and it would have been held up as shining example of "democracy" in action. "Fake news" only influences people if it resonates with them. Its sadly amusing that liberals can not wrap their heads around the fact that other people could have a different ideas than them.

    What is more dangerous to democracy and representative governance is the politiziation of basic freedoms, in this case, freedom of speech and the press. "Oh, I don't like your opinion, or I think your methods are unfair, so you should be censored." This pushes us far further down the road to authoritarianism than anything short of political violence.

  2. Regulation of social networks can & will be improved but be careful with the FaceBook bashing, Facebook is not responsible for our stupidity and I want to retain the freedom to use Facebook without governments spying on me. Is FaceBook also responsible for B. Johnson becoming Prime Minister ?

  3. I only just saw it today. It's like everything that Edward Snowden warned everyone about what they government was doing, but a private company is getting away with doing the exact same thing.

  4. Forget the role of social media, the real power of the Trump and Brexit campaigns came from tapping the disenfranchised voter, that mainstream politics deliberately ignores. Social media were just tools to reach this voting block, and Trump/Brexit teams exploited it. It's good that voting can reach everybody nowadays, but laws and regulations must match the new world through fair information. Those in opposition, should campaign to make regulation come into force, for the good of all future voters.

  5. Dear Carole – I've only watched a 1:30 of your talk and already you are using misleading information or "fake news" when you say that the EU "funded" the college and regeneration scheme . You well know that is only a fraction of OUR money that they deign to give back to us. So in effect the UK tax payer funded Ebbw Vale just like the UK government put money into "the northern powerhouse" and other schemes to promote economic growth. The reason our government could not help Tata steel in Port Talbot, Wales was it as against EU state aid rules. The EU considers itself a "state" so what state aid rules did it break by giving 34 billion euros to Sagres in Portugal for redevelopment (probably a quarter of that from UK taxpayers). Sorry not going to watch any more of your misleading talk.

  6. Carole, you said "God knows where the campaign money comes from." Maybe from Russia maybe from China maybe from Arron's own pocket. If it was from his own pocket, you'd be spreading lies here, too forever. If you're really an investigative journalist, then find the proof before you spread wild speculations using tech (TED talks/YouTube) like you said. Do what you preach. Otherwise what kind of investigative journalist are you?

  7. Funny I never saw one FB ad before the referendum. I saw a literature (booklet) in a church saying something wrong about EU. So I looked into more of it and decided we should leave EU.

  8. Carole, people grew up in Ebba Vale with no jobs don't want a spanking new college that they have to spend money to learn. They want JOBS unless they get free re-training. That's why they don't benefit from the EU grant. Maybe only the young benefit from it. Instead, new business opportunities, initiatives, training to create jobs, attract businesses to establish base there.

  9. What rubbish are you talking about, Carole? "Not even discussion of Turkey joining EU". Now you're spreading total disinformation!

  10. Lackey from the Guardian Media group has the AUDACITY to discuss lies and propaganda about the leave campaign without ONCE mentioning the lies and propaganda from the remain campaign, her own newspaper or even the government brexit pamphlet recommending REMAIN which was sent out to every household at taxpayers expense BEFORE the campaign started to circumvent campaign rules and yet has the brass to say people were not informed. OUTRAGEOUS.

  11. I don't get it. She is complaining about the spreading of false information. You mean like religion? Socialism? Homeopathy? The very freedom of lying IS the freedom of expression. Anything else is dictatorial censorship. Who is to say what is true or false online?

  12. There might be some kind of misinformation on Facebook (depends of what friends you have, what groups you part of or watching…) BUT… (there's always a but, isn't it?) you are MUCH WORSE with you lies and hypocrisy. Where you think the money EU spent on those colleges, sport centres, bridges, roads and other things came from? Who you thing is actually paying those? How much money GB sent to the black hole called EU and how much EU gives back after all those totally useless hunderds of tousands of officials had paid? Did you ask the people if they really want colleges, swimming pools, bridges, roads…? I don't think so. There's not any discussion about Turkey joining EU? REALLY???? There are no immigrants whatsoever too, right? You're saying "we have to know the truth" but you are not saying the truth.

  13. And I bet more than 90% of the audience are on Facebook instead of boycotting all these anti-social networks.

  14. Notable @3:26 .
    Foreign manipulation and influences causing false fears and misinterpretation to destabilize public opinion – even against the given facts and actual circumstances. This is what caused a very low turn out in voting during an opinion poll/referendum about stay or leave in front of the general population by yet another manufactured General Election which yet again caused the Tories to have even less of the public's vote so they had to marry into the DUP ~ put forward to a population getting rather miffed off with all of the polling.
    ,

  15. Are you advocating for both sides of the truth or just one? Because Hillary Clinton covered for paedophiles. At the end of the day.. we the people are tired. We're being used to spread a narrative on both sides of the fence… one way or another though one side is at least trying to fix it. The other has spent far to long trying to ignore it.

  16. The lady is a tramp! This completely BS and a total lie. Keep in mind that TED is behind the New World Order promoted by George Soros. I'm not defending Facebook though!

  17. It also underlines the subconscious racial tendencies within all of us that are wooed with these ads and false info….our willingness to hate

  18. democracy is that one thing where it is young people so-called "not taking sides". I blame our attention span

  19. 🤔 What about the role of English newspapers on Brexit? I'm not pro-Facebook. But does this woman realises how polical motivated she sounds? Creepy…

  20. Of course Turkey had tried to get into the EU. There is as much of a Wikipedia entry about that. 
    Here's a Link:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accession_of_Turkey_to_the_European_Union

  21. Get money out of politics. Eliminate all 3rd party advertisers such as unions, thinking groups, corporate entities. Have debates on FB. Remove all advertising of Social media.

  22. I am from Brazil, and Whatsapp (a Facebook app), was THE most important platform to infiltrate and convince people to vote the worst president Brazil ever had. He is literally killing the amazon, the indigenous people, liberating pesticides that are banned all over the world… things that will have an effect all over the world. Because companies will buy Brazilian products because it is cheaper and Europeans and north americans will eat toxic garbage.

  23. Patronising… As if if nobody is capable of cross checking info proffered by Social Media, as if everyone is so naive or foolish that they will buy into any ad on any Social Media platform, which happens to pop up!

  24. Brexit was planned and executed from the USA to make GB (with the help of Russia, who wants to weaken the EU). The USA wants GB to be the 51st state of the USA. No wonder Zuckerberg supported it, he had to do it because he had helped Trum illegally before, so
    he could be blackmailed. GB has now no choice but to get under Big Brother's blanket since it no longer has the protection of the EU. In the future, the Queen will have less importance than a chief of a tribe of Native Americans. Good luck under the thumb of Trump and his successors!

  25. Ha! I had always suspected Facebook was in league with Putin to bring about Brexit! Now, thanks to the work of this pioneering, courageous journalist, we have proof positive.

  26. TED's description says: "the UK's super-close 2016 vote…" Super-close, really? A difference of 1,269,500 votes is what you would call super-close? Sounds like we are off to a biased start as usual with TED. Used to be worth listening to, but now it's just trashy propaganda.

  27. Sour grapes, people voted. Sounds as if you don't agree with the winning side, sour grapes blame everyone. There is no longer an unbiased journalist. FB & Google are way to powerful and corrupt no question. Should be disassembled now. End line people made their choice. I do not use or have ever used FB, I see no reason to share with anyone " hey I cut my lawn today".

  28. either you make a plan or the system plans for you. either you own or mind or the system the system owns it. if you eventually become a victim, then you are guilty. don't blame Facebook or google or the system. They are intelligent tools. If you have no control over yourself, then you are guilty of being stupid.

  29. Very unimpressed by this very one sided speech maybe Nigel Farage should give a Ted talk .
    However that would not fit in with the usual plan that the eu calls democracy….if the public don't vote the eu way they get another chance to vote.
    Don't worry useful idiots I bet there is more chance of elite pedophiles going to jail than the public getting democracy and the UK getting out of the EU. ( yes I am aware of Jeffery Epstein committing suicide in front of a BROKEN 🤣🤣 CCTV camera to protect his high powered friends )

  30. I gave up on this video very quickly as the speaker is clearly unaware that only a few eu countries actually pay for the eu, and any money returned COMES from their contributions…..
    I'm also always shocked by those convinced that fb and russian influence was responsible for the 'leave' result…. Presumably they believe that 'leavers' are wedded to fb and 'russian influences'.
    To be fair, I have no doubt they are stupid enough to believe this…..

  31. The vast majority of old people have little interest in fb, unlike the younger generations…
    So precisely who is being influenced by the fb/russian propaganda?

  32. You say there is no archive and then you say what goes on Facebook stays on Facebook. Just ask people to download their history. You will even find the voicemails they shouldn't have access tom

  33. It would actually be a good idea for Turkey to join EU. They have great economy, they are self sufficient and have lowest unemployment rates. They would have been better choice than Croatia, Romania and Bulgaria.

  34. so many empty words,so many "omg facebook infleunced brexit" ofc it did,facebook itself pushes against brexit and people on facebook might be pro brexit,then suddenly facebook is bad and it shouldnt intervene.Immigration is not a problem,look at my home city,no immigrants,yeah sure but then you look at london and its so absolutely fucked that its disturbing how much of a ghetto that city is.overall just a propaganda piece of the anti brexit team

  35. She says theres a law against paying for votes, how about funding our universities to feed out children EU propoganda…..

  36. Thank you for this. You can show Brexiters what the EU enables and contributes. In subsidies and rebates. It is there physically or documented.

    What do Brexiters have to show for their reasons to leave the EU? Er …. Hope, a "feeling" and worst of all certain people "know " (based on nothing intrinsic).

    This cannot be denied. But yes, it is because the evidence of EU contributions are there for all to see. It renders them apoplectic.
    Anger and even threatened violence can occur. I'd like one to try it on with me.

  37. Bullshit actually. People should have a right to comment on immigration's negative effects on their lives. It is not hate crime, sometimes when as an indigenous person your culture and beliefs are trashed you have to speak out.

    God knows the minorities have too much say. Yes, our democracy is broken.

  38. Obviously she’s anti-BREXIT….what about the Remain campaign …..referendum didn’t happen not because of Facebook but because of the centric clowns in Brussels. What about the lies of Remain using Facebook 😫

  39. Well, if Brexit is the result of a hack, why isn't it even invalidated, to start with? If these accusations are true, and the Great Hack proves they are, where are the CEO of Facebook, Google, Cambridge Analytica still walking free?

  40. There had to be a reason that people didn’t agree with those smug middle class liberals it couldn’t be you and your likes are being rejected could it ?

  41. The truth is put to us concisely and effectively by Carole Cadwalladr. Yes, the UK is now a failed democracy for the benefit of a very wealthy and elite minority. Perhaps they want to preserve UK offshore tax havens for their extreme wealth, as well as take power for the benefit of their egos?

  42. She a sore loser liar and a Marxist. Thats all your seeing here people, respect democracy because if you dont we will all be in for a lot of painfor decades to come.

  43. When ever Democrats don't get what they want to cry and claim it wasn't Democratic. EU took out massive ads too.

  44. Note that Facebook is the tip of the iceberg when it comes to intelligence gathering, dis-information and covert influencing of the public.

    Integrity Initiative scandal, where government funded organisation attacked political rivals on the left via fake user and forum accounts.
    https://www.rt.com/op-ed/450058-integrity-initiative-scandal-british-media/

    Google get let off from Tax in order to influence search results.
    https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/google-denies-censoring-search-results-conservative-party-labour-snp-lib-dems-a6850776.html

    Not to mention the ton of dodgy dealings (including mass snooping) by 5eyes as revealed by Snowdon & Assange.

  45. This has to be the worst TED talk that I have ever seen. The unsupported assertions this crazy left-wing liberal journalist makes would never convince anyone….let alone Mark Zuckerberg!

  46. “Threat to democracy”, The EU is not democracy, the people of Britain have wisely chosen to go back to a democracy.

  47. WOW. We need better laws to stop this deceptive, manipulative, hate-ridden, fearmongering behavior. It is tearing us apart and the world will be worse off if this does not change.

  48. haha "the gods of silicon valley", to quote max stirner ,the great only appear great because we come to them on our knees, it is time we rise!

  49. I've been in the IT industry, which means I read IT publications. For many years before Cambridge Analytica, various Internet civil rights groups and activists have been raising alarm bells about privacy issues with social media in general, that those social media companies were violating our privacy, selling info about us to whoever without our knowledge, and that this could all have devastating impacts on us.

    It turns out that all of those who were yelling about privacy issues with regards to social media was right all along.

    I enjoyed connecting with long-lost friends and relatives on Facebook, so I'm sorry to say that I didn't heed the warning of all those activists until after the Cambridge Analytica thing. Now it may be too late to save democracy in the West.

    PS — please give money to the Electronic Frontier Foundation. They're one of the groups we should have been listening to.

  50. Does anyone have shared this videos on Facebook actually and noticed how there are no likes or views!!? They only appear on your wall and even if you publish them as public… Facebook is blocking them from sharing… Just sayin

  51. The 2.2k people that dislike this cannot admit to themselves that they've been manipulated, which is exactly why they were the perfect targets to be manipulated in the first place.

  52. And the opposing side (her side) has never done anything illegal. Plus she is allowed to condemn people and no one challenged her.
    She out and out judged all these people and she is getting no arguments.

  53. She’s a remoaner.
    They may have some EU funded regeneration projects but no one has well paid jobs.
    Time to open our markets ,attract new investors instead of relying on Brussels regen project that deliver minimum wage

  54. FACT CHECKER. Honda didn’t leave the U.K. because of Brexit. The car industry is going through huge changes. Electrification and lack of diesel sales was the main factors.
    Plus a new trade deal signed by Japan and Brussels. Would of happened anyway.

  55. The fallacy of those red pill white supremacists. Waking up to the truth. The system hasnt just been broken, the system has always been broken. It was built off lies and manipulation of you, to get your forefathers to do horrendous things. It's only now because of technology that it has become infinitely harder for them to maintain the illusion of democracy and you're finally seeing what coloured people have always seen and have always told you

  56. Yes, watched it twice. So now I know slightly more that nothing. Makes me want to go back to cash, land lines, and written mail.

  57. "What happens on facebook, stays on facebook, because only you see your newsfeed then it vanishes". So which is it? Stays on facebook or vanishes?

  58. perhaps as in the case of Huawei, the FACEBOOK CFO for CIO or EVEN the CEO could be held for extradition. But who would arrest Marc? Maybe the Iranian or the North Koreans. If only he would just fly through one of their airports and stop off for just a little bit.

  59. So that thing about people being smarter than the suspect advertisements on FACEBOOK, where in the absence of facts, people rely on their past experience, and when that fails, they look to the left and right for input from someone else. After all, we are suppose to be social creatures. But modern society has isolated us in our cellular devices, and small cars, and our small or non-existent families. So we rely on the computer or the cell phone to be our moral compass. And if it says, "Fire! Run for the nearest Exit!" We run. So easy to start a stampede. Maybe we should black out internet like in North Korea for two weeks prior to an election? Right!

  60. It's my understanding having be a n there a few times that Facebook has scores of algorithms that monitor Facebook for inappropriate content. So they have the power to prevent this but they don't. What agenda are they trying to push.??

  61. Here we go. Another TED leftist. You know she is a leftist propagandist because no one works for a mainstream newspaper unless they are leftists. What this propagandist doesn't tell you is that the funds for these "EU funded projects" came from the UK tax payer. Yes, that is right. The UK pays the EU a membership fee and the the EU gives the UK a portion back, however the EU decide how to spend that money within, in this case, Wales. This twit talks about "illegal" fund spent by the "Leave" campaign, but doesn't talk about the money spent by Cameron to send Project Fear pamphlets to every home in the UK. She is a typical university indoctrinated fool who doesn't understand history enough to know the UK fought WWII to avoid being ruled by Germany only for people like her to campaign and complain because 75 years later she wants to be ruled by Germany. The EU is dominated by Germany and the EU's Presidents are elected in precisely the same way as leaders in the Soviet politburo were elected.

  62. Thank you for telling me that I just "think" that immigration is a problem because I saw it on FB, I thought that it was because of all those rapes, robberies and much more of all "that good stuff" happening… Thanks for not spreading propaganda… LOL

  63. Yes FB is on the wrong side – they are on the lefties side – why do you think that it's only conservative people being thrown out of FB?

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